Janice Witherow:
Thank you very much and welcome to Cedar Point and our fifteenth annual CoasterMania event! (applause) We have a special video to show you to kick things off before we introduce our panel of three Cedar Point experts which are all standing in the back...everybody turn around and wave! to Bill and Monty and Rob...they will be answering your questions later and taking your comments, so please be very nice to them. We have about a twelve minute video presentation to show you about Top Thrill Dragster. It is a compilation of several news clips, and you will see a television camera in back of me, and this reporter from Channel 11 in Toledo, Dick Berry (SP?) who you may know...everybody say, "Hi, Dick!"
CoasterManiacs:
Hi, Dick!
Janice Witherow:
I think he has the very first clip on the video. So, on that note, let's take a ride on Top Thrill Dragster!
(video plays)
Come on down, Bill Spehn, Vice President of Park Operations...Rob Decker, Corporate Vice President of Planning and Design, and Monty Jasper, Vice President of Maintenance and Construction at Cedar Point.
Now before we get started I have a little story to tell about our friend Monty.
If you thought some of those television clips were funny, we have a clip of Monty, and if we twist his arm he is going to show you a little bit later of his ride on Top Thrill Dragster with a reporter from the CBS Early Show. And something happened on this ride that you all would just love...a rollback. (reaction from the crowd). It's something to see, and Monty will share that with you a little bit later.
On behalf of all of us at Cedar Point we want to relate to you that we are doing everything possible, and I know you that you all know this, to get Top Thrill Dragster up and operating as soon as possible. And we would like nothing more than to get you on that ride. So please bear with us today, and at this time, we're gonna take questions, we're gonna take comments, and Bryan Edwards is in the center of the room...everybody turn around and wave to Bryan now...Please go up to the microphone so that everyone can hear your question. And just remember: Be very nice.
This one is for Monty Jasper...
Monty Jasper (recognizing the CoasterManiac):
Oh, I'm not going to answer any of your questions
(crowd laughs)
CoasterManiac #1:
First off, how's your face lift?
(crowd laughs again)
That was great, I saw that presentation; I recorded it at home, it was fantastic.
Monty Jasper:
I'm sure it's in millions of households now...
CoasterManiac #1:
My question is, will the train be redesigned to accommodate two more passengers in the very rear of the car?
Monty Jasper:
We're, uhm...we're looking at that right now. We're evaluating that with the manufacturer, and I think once we've thought that completely through, then we can basically tell you whether that is going to happen or not.
First of all, thank you for taking my question and building a coaster of that magnitude...The question I would like to have is that just three years ago, we were looking at 300 feet, and now you're at 400. What challenges if any did you encounter in terms of construction in order to build that distance, from 300 to 400 feet?
Monty Jasper:
I would say that this project will always be in my memory because of the winter we went through. It was one of the roughest since I've been here, and to build that magnitude of coaster with that type of winter was extremely hard. We're very fortunate we're at the position we're at today as far as coaster operation because we planned for bad weather, and fortunately or unfortunately , it came to pass. One of the things we did, for instance, we wanted to make sure the structure was up before New Years day so that we wouldn't be inhibited by the high winds and snow and those kind of things that were happening during the winter. That was accomplished, and we had several key dates all the way down through there that we hit. So from a staff standpoint this is a huge, huge position to be in.
The second issue that I'll always remember, thanks to Rob, is that we positioned this thing so that the main electrical rooms, first and second electrical rooms and the hydraulic room, are all in the lagoons. So quite literally we had to drain the lagoons, dig all of the soil that was permeated with muck and things out, rebuild the strata back up to the current level..and THEN build the buildings. So thank you, Rob, I appreciated that.
Rob Decker:
You did a fine job, Monty!
Monty Jasper:
So, you know, considering the trials and tribulations of those kinds of magnitudes, yeah, we're very fortunate that (INAUDIBLE)
Yeah, real quick, why is one of the lights at the very bottom, one of them yellow and one of them green?
Rob Decker:
I think I'll field that one... (laughter)
Well, we debated when we went through about three months of trying to get those lights in, they came in, we uncrated the box, they were probably about six weeks late...a lot of lighting manufacturers now are not keeping stock of items just because there's not a big order...and we debated when we opened up the crate and saw seven yellow and one green , "What do we do with these now?" (laughter). So we went ahead and we put those in just to have the effect, and the other green one is set to be arriving here in a matter of days. That was a disappointment, but on the scale of things, we thought we'd go ahead and run it for now. So we've got it hanging out there for everyone to see that blunder, but it will be corrected.
Good afternoon! With regard to the trains themselves, will the engine mounts and tires be replaced at any time in the future or redesigned?
Monty Jasper:
Okay, I would have to say at this point that we're looking at it with the manufacturer. As I said before on the other question about the seats, those are all options that we're looking at this point, and as soon as we duel that out a little bit with the manufacturer we'll be able to tell you what's gonna happen. So there are discussions ongoing.
Hi! My question is, after the structure was built, can you explain the testing, the whole testing procedure, which I am sure is much more complicated with this type of ride, and then, once it's officially OK and open to everyone to ride, what kind of daily balances and checks do you need to do with that kind of propulsion technology?
Monty Jasper:
Okay, you know we set a certain time frame that we want to do testing in. We come to a certain date, say March 1, and we say, okay, testing begins at this point. At this point everybody looks around and says, "Okay, what's happening?". It doesn't look like anything is happening. Essentially what you're beginning to do is to ring out all the electrical systems to make sure that for instance when Prox Switch 107 is flagged it actually gives you a signal in the right place on the computer. We systematically go through each of those circuits and inspect to make sure that everything was wired properly. So that's the first thing, is essentially making sure that you ring out all the electrical systems, before you do anything else. Along about that time the hydraulic experts came in from Europe and started running the hydraulic systems up to speed, making sure that everything was checked out so that...you know that hydraulic system can be running at 500 RPM, and without a cable attached, nobody's gonna know. Nobody is going to see it. But a lot of work was going on in there at the same time to make sure that that system was...the engine itself was capable of carrying the load. We'll eventually reach a point where we can begin to move the catch car back and forth, we run it up to speed, we do all the things that we need to insure that whole system is working with the loads and everything on it. Ultimately we get to the point where we start putting trains on. That's when it really gets exciting. Because the first stage of testing with trains is we shoot them at lower velocities than the 120 miles per hour, not only to ease the system up a little bit at a time, but also to test our braking on the rollbacks that were mentioned earlier. I think we started at 30 MPH with our first shot and of course the ride didn't go even halfway up the tower, and we moved up in increments of about two or three miles per hour, a kind of an agonizingly slow pace, where you put the system through it's paces. Sometimes we would develop a problem or an issue at 60 or 70 MPH and we'd have to stop and address that issue, think it through, whatever along those lines. Eventually we get to 120 MPH on that happy day we finally shot one over. And then started the actual biodynamic testing on the ride itself. We put weights in the train, we simulate the passenger loads, after that stage we moved to putting cameras on the trains themselves and watching what the camera views looked like from the rider standpoint, from the train standpoint, we try to see what kind of vibrations we have, what kind of issues we have. We put accelerometers on the ride; we'll actually see what the forces look like and verify that they're there per the design specs. Once you have the train up to speed, you know what curves are built, you pretty much know the forces are there too. So we move through all that. Ultimately we'll get to a point where the manufacturer and us will eventually ride it. And you know, as funny as that sounds, we've got a lot of years of experience riding roller coasters as well, so we'll ride it, and we'll have some kind of 'seat of the pants' kind of ideas and input about what we've actually seen and felt and those kind of things, make changes, whatever along those lines. Then ultimately open it up to a wider group of our employees, get the ride licensed, then go beyond that to non-employees, people, our guests (mumble). So it's a pretty exhaustive process we go through, the steps and procedures to try and improve and (open these things up?)
CoasterManiac #5:
Thank you.
(a loud popping sound is heard on the PA system. Bryan Edwards whacks the end of the microphone with the palm of his hand and the noise stops.)
(the crowd laughs)
Bill Spehn:
High tech...
I'll remember that...
First of all, let me say that I...this is my favorite theme park of many that I have been to, and my congratulations and thanks to all of you for constructing and continuing to build the fine enjoyment the park provides fine enjoyment for all of us here. Second of all I'd like to say that as a result of my fun here I've decided to become a shareholder several years ago, and thank you for the returns you've provided to us!
(crowd laughs)
CoasterManiac #6:
My question is this: You have a multiple year forward planning horizon for the future rides that you plan to build here. Can you tell me how many years forward your planning horizon is, and what we may have to look forward to in the coming years?
Rob Decker:
Um...first part of that is easy, the second part is a little more difficult. We try to look out about ten years, but realisitically we look at serious technology and look at specific pieces that go out about three to five years, depending on the type of ride that it is. An example of that would be Top Thrill Dragster. We had an idea in mind while we were building Millennium Force, but it wasn't until we got feedback on how people liked Millennium Force and those speeds and that height that we really got serious about going forward with the Top Thrill Dragster design. So that's about all we can do, our financial model goes out about 10 years where we want to be, except some specific stuff, about a 3-year window . We stay in touch with all the major manufacturers on what they're doing, what they're seeing, if there's something out there that we hear that people really like, we'll go and ride it, and see if there is any way we can improve that product and put it back in the business. While we can't tell you what we're planning for the future, but I think there are some exciting things beyond Top Thrill Dragster that we can do.
On two previous visits I noticed while riding and in line I noticed that there were only five trains in operation on the Dragster, and I also did not see a sixth train like on the transfer track. My question is is there a 6th train, where is it, and are you going to be able to operate all six trains eventually?
Bill Spehn:
All six trains are on the circuit, we do have...all six trains ran the other day, however we were able to run more capacity with five because we didn't have the multi-train movement for six, that is also being worked on as well as the other issues of today with Top Thrill. To answer the other question, earlier in the season we had five trains, the sixth train from the manufacturer had not arrived yet.
I'm Mark, I'm from Columbus, Ohio, and I have to say I've been a 27-year guest of Cedar Point, since I was age 3, and I've seen everything come into this park in the last 27 years. My question, and this is for all of you, in relation to, I've heard rumors today about the wheel, the designer wheel coming off the Dragster...does this kind of stuff surprise you, when it happens, I'm sure this stuff is built pretty well on to the units, onto the cars...how do you deal with that, and are these things going to be put back on when you find out what's happening.....
Monty Jasper:
Let me tell you with all new rides, there will be a certain amount of downtime. Issues come up, things that you have to deal with. Some of the things, for instance, we knew that Knott's Berry Farm was a test-bed had some issues, we dealt with those issues, we think. But simply put, the design changes, and you actually have to have the ride running to see if those things are going to work out. As many times as you think that you have things under control there are always some issues that will jump up and create a problem for you. The rides are extremely conservative. We have control systems on the ride that basically look at literally hundreds of issues, and they are set up so that if you have a problem, the ride shuts down until it's evaluated. As I said before, the particular issue that you're talking about has been removed from the train and we are evaluating all of those issues with the manufacturer, as to whether or not we should go back, or if we should go forward in another direction (garbled). So as much as I would like a machine to work perfectly from the moment it's conceived to moment it goes into operation, I feel that's a bit of a pipe dream, and you have to be ready for reasonable contingencies and move on.
I have two questions. My first question is, what gave you the idea to have the countdown lights on the tower, and the Christmas tree thing with the lights; and my second question, my friend told me the countdown lights on the tower, they go really really fast and you can barely see them light up and why are they so fast?
Rob Decker:
Well, from the start we knew we were planning the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster. We knew that that would be a model that would get people's attention, but we tried to take it another step say, now we're looking at a launch system and it is going to go so fast, near to the ground, so let's try to put a theme associated with that, and went directly to motorsports, it's just a natural to say, "drag racing." It's incredibly popular whether you watch it on TV or punch the accelerator on the entrance ramp to a highway, people love that feeling, so we just went along with that theme and there's a lot of fun things you can do with that we experimented with like the countdown tree, and the finish line, we also wanted to, from a safety standpoint bring in the countdown tree; it gives us an opportunity for Bill's operation to remind guests to...
Bill Spehn:
"Arms down, head back, and hold on!"
(laughter)
Rob Decker:
...But then also, counting down "yellow...yellow...yellow...green" would give people that sensation that, "Okay, we're really going now, and we're about to take off!" On the tower, I've watched it, it should be in sync with the ride as we're working through a lot of issues, but it's spaced out, each light is about 50' apart, so whereas some lights near you on the ride are very close, those are far, I'm wondering if that's the sensation that we're getting that it's popping down. We can make changes to that and display the lights for a longer duration and do a number of things, so we're gonna be watching that and see what might be the most effective thing.
I was wondering, what did you learn from Xcelerator, and what changes did you make in the Xcelerator design for Dragster/
Monty Jasper:
One of the main things we learned from Xcelerator is that to properly address the hydraulic heat issue. One of the things that has happened to us in California is that things tend to overheat a lot quicker than we anticipated. All of those happened during the design phase on Dragster, and we believe we have taken some measures to keep those problems from occurring here. For instance, we dump 100 tons of air conditioning into the hydraulic room. Those were all changes that were made after issues developed at Knott's Berry Farm. We have some intricate oil-water cooling systems for the hydraulic system that were not incorporated into the Knott's ride. So those are issues that, as I alluded to this morning, were things that we learned from the test bed that we incorporated into Dragster. And ultimately the proof is in the pudding, when the temperature gets up here in July and August we'll see how well those designs work.
CoasterManiac #10:
Thank you.
Hi, I was wondering how you got the idea to build this
Rob Decker:
Well, I think we were looking again at what might be different for the park. We were pleased with the results of Millennium Force, then someone in Japan built a coaster 8' taller. And we said, "Well, let's get back on top. So we definitely set out to be the tallest and fastest, and we wanted to set that mark quite high. Just looking at different types of coasters that you might have, you could just imagine going up a lift hill to 420 and dropping by gravity would take a lot of time and a lot of real estate. So we decided it was time to get into the launch...and by the way, Wicked Twister was in the pipeline. We have a LIM coaster in the park now, we were looking at ways to develop the launch that would be very exciting, very fast. We also looked at California, with Knott's Berry Farm, with Xcelerator, I noticed a nice T-shirt over there, with Xcelerator. And the issue became, once you're into the launch sequence and you're trying to develop what technologies to use, Knott's had a very small footprint and we tried to look at various systems like LSM and LIM systems, and Intamin came up with a hydraulic system which took up less space. We knew that we. at Knotts, we could launch with an LSM or a LIM, but it just wouldn't fit on the site. We went down the path of hydraulic at that point, and we think that it's a nice complement with what we have here to get the height out of the ride. So that's kind of how that all transpired.
About fifteen years ago you gave us the first 200' roller coaster with Magnum. Three years ago you gave us the first 300' roller coaster with Millennium Force. When can we expect the 500' roller coaster?
Rob Decker:
I don't know, that's the question that came up as soon as Millennium Force opened, "When's the 400 footer" and I think we were very coy at that time about our plans. I think we can do it, but I don't know if the payback is going to be there, and that's where the evaluation is going to be. This one is at $24 million...$25 million and it's a smaller footprint...I am wondering what we can do in the future to attain that kind of height and that kind of speed, and make it a good financial model for us, so that's what we're working on.
Who made the final decision for the name, and what were the different names that were being considered?
Bill Spehn:
Well, there--
Monty Jasper:
"Banshee"
(laughter)
Bill Spehn:
I think early on we didn't have a lot of names other than "Dragster." I know it was the Marketing group that thought we needed the tag line "Top Thrill", to go along with the word "Dragster"
You had a very interesting way to build up hype this year for Dragster. Didn't announce it until January. Is that something you're gonna think about doing for your next ride, or are you going to announce it earlier, like Millennium Force?
Bill Spehn:
That's a good question and we'll evaluate that. I personally liked waiting until January.
Rob Decker:
It was really difficult to hide a 420' tower.
(laughter)
We hadn't announced it but we did our best with that. We had to take some rides out of the park as you now know the full story, years in advance in order to build the foundation and get this thing going. With the team at Cedar Point and what we thought was a very small universe who knew what we were doing on site, we just wanted to shout from the rooftops. That was the hard thing for us, to keep it down and make sure it was the right kind of announcement at the right time.
I just wondered if you guys can make this decision...if you look at all your coasters here, and completely ignore the ride experience and look at it only from an operations point of view and a maintenance point of view, which one is your favorite, and which one is the biggest pain in the ass?
Monty Jasper:
Depends on the day.
Bill Spehn:
Our coasters are...I have three children and it's the same, it's very difficult to say which coasters you favor and which ones give you the most trouble. With Monty and Rob here working every (pause for a ringing phone) For the past year, Monty and Rob and myself met every Monday morning down in the Maintenance conference room with some other people on Top Thrill. So for me personally, Top Thrill just 'cause of the newness of what's going on has to rank right up there.
Rob Decker:
Well, I'm not maintaining or operating the rides, so they're all my favorite. They put up with those headaches on a daily basis so my hat's off to them. I'm with Bill, just as a sentimental favorite, we've lived with here for three years, my vote is for Top Thrill Dragster. I don't get to ride the rides as much as I would like to, I like Blue Streak as well, I think that's a classic...(drowned out by applause)
Monty Jasper:
You know, from a maintenance standpoint, the newer rides are getting more and more expensive to maintain. Wood coasters are very expensive to maintain as well. Some of the coasters that were put in in the late '70s and early '80s are beginning to cost us a lot of money as well just because of their age and what has to be done, so...I'm kind of like Bill, if you look at troublemakers, they're all expensive as you go along. But the proven technologies are there, Gemini is a great ride and will always be a great ride, and a great people-mover as well. A lot of people like Corkscrew, that's a nice piece. I don't think you'll ever see us take a roller coaster out without fighting John, so...and a lot of these rides are getting quite old, but I liken it to, everybody can have a '57 Chevy if they want to, but the bottom line is you might have to put a new engine in it, new tires, new transmission, that kind of thing, but you've still got a '57 Chevy. Paint it, maybe put new seat belts in it, air bags, whatever along the lines to bring it up to date, but it's still a '57 Chevy. A lot of the rides are the same way, as long as (mumble)...we'll keep them running.
I guess kind of related to that, looking at capital expenditure across Cedar Fair, and across all the parks, when you're projecting out and you're looking at the coming year when you see acutals coming in under projections, for instance, and you're deciding where to spend money, do you tend to...will you cut back across all parks, or make preferences to specific parks (paraphrased)
Rob Decker:
They really are evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and we will have different conditions for our parks, for each one of them. We do see potential growth in certain markets that we are really tuned in to, and we will...call it experimenting if you will, but it's a business investment in those markets to see if we get a reaction. And then we set a course from there. Southern California, the market's down a little right now, I think Disneyland and Universal and some of the other parks there are reporting it's down a little because tourism is down....tourism base, so we're trying to build that back up and build our fan base and keep people excited about coming out there. Dorney Park is on the opposite end, on the East coast, there is a HUGE market over there, and we've put some new investments in that park recently, and so there's perhaps a lot of (?) there as well. So it really has to be a general manager's feedback to us as to what might be appropriate, our own marketing analysis of those areas, and combination there to see what would make sense corporate-wide.
Monty Jasper:
This is a very capital-intensive business, and one of the things you might NOT want to do is, because you had a bad year, just cut off capital spending. You have to keep your park new and fresh and (somebody coughed)
Bill Spehn:
The financial model here since '89 with Magnum, the number of coasters we've put in since then, appears to be working.
I asked this question last year but unfortunately nobody seemed to know the answer. There's been a rumor going around for several years that on the side of Disaster Transport, the big 12-E could possibly be Dick Kinzel's shoe size. Has anybody found out the answer to that one?
Bill Spehn:
12-E...I don't know what Dick Kinzel's shoe size is, but 12-E was just part of the theming concept of obviously there was a number of space shuttles or space buildings, and it just came up with 12-E
Monty Jasper:
I promise you, I'll send Bill over to measure.
in the past couple years I've heard a rumor that Cedar Point's in competition with Six Flags in Valencia, California. I just wonder if that's true...
Bill Spehn:
No, we're not in competition, but if you count the free fall, with Top Thrill Dragster we really have 17 roller coaster experiences...
(applause)
I just want to say that my first visit here was three years ago, and I have made it a point to come back every year since. One question, though, the Mean Streak. The first time I rode it, blown away, loved it, I love wood, so I always head for that as soon as possible. in the past two years I've noticed the ride is different, there's more brakes, is that to please the public, is that from a safety standpoint, why is the ride (mumbled) ...brakes?
Monty Jasper:
Those of you who are familiar with Mean Streak know that we've gone through a lot of trials and tribulations there with that particular ride. We started out before I got here in one configuration and ran it that way for a while and quickly realized that the ride was going to cost a lot of money to maintain if it continued to run that way, plus we were not having the best guest experience that we could possibly get...I'm gonna put it delicately like that. So, we went through a process starting about '94 or '95 really evaluating and changing the ride, so that it was much more manageable for both the park and for our guests. This is kind of one of those damned if I do, damned if I don't kinds of questions, and for every person I get wanting to know, "Why don't you let the it go the way it was in '91" I get someone right after that who walks up and says the ride is the roughest thing they'd ever ridden in their entire life. Woodies are very expensive to maintain. It's almost an art form to be able to craft the lumber into the configuration you need to run the ride. So it's very possible that you can ride it from one year to the next, or from one month to the next, and get a different feel than you would on a steel coaster. Whereas, on Millennium Force you can ride it over and over and it's essentially the same ride. I can tell you we spend upwards of $200,000 yearly on Mean Streak alone just trying to maintain the ride, and we go through an extensive accelerometer process to make sure that the G-forces on the ride, not only from a guest's standpoint but also for the ride itself, are very similar to the last readings we took. For instance, it's the only coaster in the park that we take readings on a monthly basis just to insure that the ride stays essentially where it is. A lot of people don't realize that Mean Streak is watered on a nightly basis, we have a sprinkler head situation on it and when it gets hot we basically water the ride down every night before we open up. The reason we do that is to try to maintain the moisture content in the wood. If the wood dries out or swells up, because of excessive rain, then the ride can sway or get loose or whatever, so we try to keep that common across the board so we can keep a common ride. A lot of people kid me that I'm gonna have to get my mower out and mow it. Anyway, to make a long story short, we've reached kind of a happy medium on Mean Streak, and it doesn't surprise me that you could ride it in June and get a different ride from August. But we're about where we want to be, and definition of a compromise is a solution that nobody likes.
Bryan Edwards:
This will be our last question...
I'm mike, and this has got to be my favorite amusement park ever...Sorry if this question has already been answered, but, do you know what the current problem is with Top Thrill Dragster and do you expect it to be fixed (mumble)?
Monty Jasper:
I think we do know what the problem is, that's the first thing, you gotta know what the problem is to solve it. Currently we are working on a hydraulic issue, we are working through some testing with the manufacturer to get the ride open as quickly as we possibly can. You guys know us well enough to know that if we can open it tonight, this afternoon, we will. We've been known to open rides 30 minutes before park close, essentially because we feel it is the right thing to do for our guests, and we'll do that if at all possible. So we're in there, so to speak, elbows and you-know-what trying to make sure that this thing is running, and we'll get it (mumbled)
(applause)
Janice Witherow:
I'm sure you all must realize how busy Monty, Bill and Rob are today, so we would like to thank you all three for taking time out of your very busy schedules to answer our questions.
(applause)
We're gonna jump right in to seeing Monty on Top Thrill Dragster, would you like that?
CoasterManiacs:
Yeah!
Janice Witherow:
And then maybe afterward I'll make him talk to you...
(the video from the CBS Early Show is shown)
Monty Jasper:
Essentially, we...it took us about an hour and a half to get that shot done. We had basically mounted camera mounts, waited around, talked, got everybody ready and got them on the ride and those kind of things, and moved them out into position, and after what seemed like a forever delay we finally got to make the shot. What happens behind the scenes is that the ride has a speed control system on it that adjusts during the day to whatever velocity you're going over the top, and it has increments that it can move in. Well, if you sit long enough, then it will go back into a default position for a startup in the morning. And since it was cool...you'll notice we were wearing coats...we were ripe for a rollback. So we took the launch, everything looked good to me, of course we were in the front car. I guess a lot of people on the ground might have noticed that we didn't have enough velocity, but we in the train wouldn't have known until we got to the top, and I was about to say something like, "Gee, what a beautiful view of Sandusky" or something like that, and all of the sudden we stopped. And the nose cone of the train was basically level with the top of the hill, and since we have about four cars behind us hanging down the back side of the tower, I said, "Oh! We're gonna roll back now!" And she was barely holding it together through the entire thing, I'm calm, cool, I'm being a good rider, holding on, those kind of things, and we get to the top, and I said that and she just lost it. She said "OMIWHYAREWEROLLINGBACKWHYAREWEGOINGBACKWARDS" I just thought I'd wait 'till it stopped. Anyway, it was a hoot, it was really a blast, and it's probably something that a lot of people will not experience because it will happen in the morning if it happens at all, it might happen with our employees, (mumbled)...Anyway, thank you all for coming!
